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I'm glad i learned at school about the horrible history of fascism, socialism and communism in the 80's (!). During that same era i watched young socialists marching for socialism. Guess i was lucky going to a school that higly valuated facts over political correctness.
“Yes goy worship your jew on a stick, serve the king and give your money to the people with the golden altars and fancy robes.”
lenin was was Zionist jew who killed hundreds of millions of Muslims but racist white europeans always ignore that part
Dude literally right after watching this , that communist potato app came up in ads ahahahah im fucking dead ????
Wait.So people don´t celebrate the 4/20 because it´s hitlers birthday?Well, atleast i´ve always smoked a blunt before wishing the poor misunderstood artist a good rest.
Can I get a source for Castro saying to Carter that he was willing to lose Cuba if it meant ending the United States? That's a very important thing to be able to reference.
Communism is incompatible with a democratic system in any form. The only way to handle its adherents is to silence them permanently, and to make the very idea as abhorent in the maintstream as Naziism is (which it should be, but it isn't, because of the Marxist sympathizers in the media and education).
I don't know man, Lennon wrote some cool tunes. He was so nice, he let his friend Ringo sing a few songs.
does any of you want to switch places with me? (i live in Venezuela)
To be fair, Lenin didn't realize how big of a monster Stalin was until near the end, and even denounced him on his death bed.
The way he's speaking makes it sound like no one was ever done any harm under capitalism.
, are dumb.
Not even halfway through and I'm already seeing that these dictators, no matter what ideology they are part of, are totally for an ends-justify-the-means agenda.
Wow guys. What a good trade. Nazi Germany for the Soviet Union. Hitler: you miss me yet? Heh.
Lol what a fraud
This lecture is ridiculous, everyone knows that climate change is the biggest killer of humans.
Dr. Peterson, you need to focus on the body count to get people to listen to you. You are not doing this.
A revolution process doesnt necessary involve communism. Now this is the deaths cause, not the communism itself. if comunism would be achieved politically and not by force, i dont see why people should die. Tbh this is he first time i disagree whit J.p. i dont see why comunism should be scientifically bind to dictators and stuff. History is not a laboratory whit set variabilities. The nature of history itself is made of milions of variabilities while even a single one can cause large consequences. Thats why we have people studying history, because to split every single cause and determinate the conseguences of that single cause itself is a hell of work to do. If my logic makes flaws i would rly apreciate if someone points me out
In other words. Never let the jews govern your homeland or genocides will happen.
God what a bunch of stupid morons!
I'm from Italy and after whatching these I'm soo confuse , totally another prospective on the words communism and socialism
Everywhere the frickin commies go it's always nothing but death, pain and misery.
Here in Central Europe it is common knowledge. All communists were horrible criminals. Those who defend them, we consider them complicits. Educate yourselves guys! There is a reason Stalin called western communists useful idiots.
How much is 100 million bodies?
“You think that if you were the one implementing those Marxist doctrines, you would have ushered in the utopia”
As an ex-communist this is exactly what they all think, including my past self. That’s generally why there are so many tendencies of communism, orthodox Marxism, Trotskyism, Anarcho-Communism and so on, each thinks at the very least that if their tendency was dominant in those communist states they wouldn’t have been so bad.
he is absolutely right about lennin…u should watch "putin hate lennin and stalin"…i couldn't believe what they have done to christians ..
Honestly, I don't believe that statistics. Back in the 1950s, Soviet Union had only around 100 million citizens. If Stalin has killed 15-60 million, then it implies that 3/20- 3/5 of people who died. If we take the median of those two numbers, then 32.5 million died (birth rate can be neglected(which was relatively low in the Soviet Union at that time)). This is not possible because it is simply not true that if that had happened, no one would overthrow the government and stay put. You see, Tsar was overthrown when its regime hadn't even killed 10 million; yet, some people claim that Stalin had killed that many without any punishment. Plus, everyone in the communist party and citizen is looking at him. Furthermore, if that had happened, then even the soldiers would revolt against the regime because in a family there are around 10 members right? 32.5/100= 3.25/10 implies that in most families 3 members would in the hands of Stalin. Same case with China, back in the 1950s, China had only 500 million citizens, Jordan said that around 1/5 of the Chinese population died in Mao's hands? If a psychologist cites such an absurd statement, then it is thoughtless of him for doing so. Mao is praised because he made China a country that deserves international respect by fighting off the Americans in North Korea, making nuclear warheads, etc. China are North Korea were perhaps the only country that fought USA face-to-face and "won" against them in the 1950. They won because they managed to achieve their objective whereas USA didn't. Also, Mao had reduced starvation compared to the governance of the Nationalist Party. I suppose that Stalin and Mao were farmers/workers friendly but enemies to the rich people based on the books and historical information from Chinese sources, Russian sources and Western sources. However, rich people do not represent the majority of a country; therefore, it is another deduction that shows the flaws in the statistics.
If people aren't brain-dead, they should've realized the questionable points in the statistics. I somehow feel that Jordan is a bit ignorant concerning political topics.
It's funny how I got an ad for a game called "Adventure Communist" on this video
If they want to celebrate properly, starve themselves to death while freezing.
"People who celebrate Lenin are wrong. Let's look at what all these people who weren't Vladimir Lenin did bad."
He didn't give an in depth critique of Lenin's triumphs and failures. Very superficial analysis – Lenin died in 1924, years before the Ukrainian famine, and decades before the development of nuclear weapons. He mentions Lenin, Stalin, Mao; Russia, China, Cambodia; The Great Leap Forward, Korea War, Killing Fields etc as if they were all the same thing – taking each one out of its historical context.
PS. I'm not a communist or a member of antifa, I just think his analysis barely scratches the surface of why these events took place.
And there are still rats on the Earth who just dislike the truth. Currently 477 of them here.
Naziism isn't evil, it just hasn't been properly tried.
what is up with that noise cancellation
Communism is the only political system that we know that has solely and consistently produced a failed state after another for nearly a century of world-wide experiment that was carried out in a multitude of environments in varying time periods with different ethnicities, geographies, and cultures. We can confidently say that Communism is a failed ideology after being tested so thoroughly under so many varying conditions to a point that the probability of any next communist state being successful approaches zero.
Marxist: "It's going to work this time."
Well actually russia was the best communist state, the original one. However bad this ideology turned out to be and however much it cost, we pioneener it, suffered and then we dropped it for all the world to see the example where leftist domination can lead you. But the world doesn’t want to see…and I assure you, the idea was good and russian people inherently were good and even the officials most of them after stalin killed the revolutioneers – the officials mostly were good, well intended while of course not without a certain degree of corruption which is natural in such system. But the system allowed basic flows in human rights protection and ineffective economy design and that is why it crumbled
What about people who still celebrate Paul, George and Ringo?
Take your meth buckos!!
Glory to comrades Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and all the other proletarian leaders throughout history. Death to America.
Peterson you're being delusional and illogical "If your henchman is stalin you're not a good guy" This doesn't make sense on every level, you can't judge someone based on their friends. Priests have criminal friends to convert them into the faith, psychologist have mentally sick people as friends. Asshole friends are everywhere. You can't just say that someone is evil because their friend is evil unless you live in the 1800's . Out of the 20 million of people that died mostly died in war against Nazis, Russia was poor and before communism, they were even more poor. Did Stalin and Lenin do horrible things? Sure they did. It's horrible and state capitalism shouldn't happen again because Ussr was not socialist, it was state capitalist by the way. Our next experiment is Anarcho-Communism which by the way had success in spain, while fascist and Russians attacked them. While at war, these anarcho-Communist managed to live peacefully in an anarcho-Communist society, therefore state communism doesn't work, but if you remove the state, then yes it will work. We have evidence that this spain in 1935-1939 managed to live peacefully, the reason why it failed is because hitler bombed and killed them all, but as an economy and a society it was the most peaceful for 4 years. Their economy prospered while spain nationalist attacked them, backed by fascists. I never heard of a country running peacefully, while being at war. The people and workers owned the workplace equally and they shared their profits and there was no hierarchy or government. Anarcho-communism works.
Pol Pot was educated at university in Paris… then went onto lead a socialist revolution and slaughter millions.
I don't think my man understands the reason why people celebrate Lenin, we're not condoning the political violence. We're condoning his socialist experiment.
disliked the video without even watching
"You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Lenin is a hero in my book because he finally murdered the czar that was way worse. Why didn’t Jordan mention “Bloody Sunday”, the fact that Romanoff oppressed the Jews.
Lenin was a true revolutionist. As for gulags, well, look at what cossacks did to Jews in Lvov in 1942. Why is he not talking about that?
Russia needed Lenin.
How many lives have democracy taken
Great article on Lenin that gives specifics in support of Peterson's position. Peterson's point about Stalin is valid, but I still didn't know just how bad Lenin was until I read some of these quotes.
сталин самый человечный человек!
My family survived famen (32-33) in Ukraine, not all of them, 3 people's died, because of starvation. That was a soviet way to force people for collectivization. Genocide of "reach" peasants, who was not drunk, lazy communist scum. 1 cow made you reach in eyes of communists. Hate this bs ideology, which is now so popular among stupid people who doesn't know any history.
The smartest thing Lenin ever did was warn his peers about Stalin. The problem was, they didn't fucking care and only heard the promises made by Stalin.
They say real socialism wasn't tried, that's like saying real nazism wasn't tried.
Jordan, usually I agree with you, but your bias talking about socialism are so blatant that I find them ridoculous
Солженицын твой шнырь дырявый
If you pay attention actually too whats going on its happening again in Ukraine right now. The difference the people are resisting they remeber the past. ??
Only Chinese muppets ignore history and downvote reality.
Accurate knowledge of history is important to have a proper debate, and Jordan with all my admiration to him is wrong on so many accounts regarding the topic.
As someone with second-hand knowledge from family members that lived since the 1920s in Russia, and as someone who read plenty on the subject it is much more nuanced than that.
First Jordan's numbers are way off, about ~1 million people died in the gulags, while ~20 million were imprisoned at one time or another. the gulags were indeed a monstrous system of forced labor and political extermination.
Mao's great leap killed 'only' 30 million (not 100million) by famine caused mostly by gross mismanagement. however it was not an intentional genocide, and the number is so terrible because China was at the time, just like today the most populus nation. If compared to the Irish famine it killed a lower percent of the population in relative terms. and the Irish famine was mostly caused by a callous capitalistic approach by Trevelyan. however, for some reason the Irish famine is not tallied in some great list of capitalism's evils.
The Russian great communist atrocities (Gulags, Holodomor) were caused by Stalin and were not part of the 'plan' by Lenin. while Stalin was Lenin's assistant, Stalin's true nature became apparent to Lenin only in his later days. Stalin's sins cannot be attributed to Lenin just as the sins of the father are not the Son's.
Lenin has enough things to answer for in his rise to power but not these things. Additionally, it's convenient to judge Lenin with the hindsight of history without truly understanding the circumstances in which he arose.Russia in 1917 was a country that left serfdom only 50 years ago, still had a monarch, and very large gaps between the simple peasants and the elites mostly comprised of Absentee landlord living in lavish splendor. and most importantly an endless war that the simple people saw no purpose to. Lenin promised the peasants' land back to them, an end to the war, and an end to the monarchy, and a common people's voice in the form of the soviets. And he delivered on all of them!
There are good reasons why Lenin's statue are still standing in most russian cities to this day while all Stalin statues have been ripped in anger. one should try to understand contemporary Russian views on the matter before reaching conclusions!
I'm picking up on something…Jordan doesn't like communism
The Sin against the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit? It's called "Grieving the Holy Spirit", and the Bible explains it as proclaiming yourself as a Believer of Christ/God, but retaining your old sinful ways, while also never working to improve yourself and become more Godly in thought and deed.
Even with that point though… when you're killing millions with policy, it's rather pushing the boundaries of "the worst of sin" out a little further. And while God WILL accept all those who profess Faith in Him through Jesus, your sins will still be weighed, and you'll get less once Heaven comes to be after the Revelation.
Also… everything that Jordan Peterson has detailed here is 100% true, and should be taught in schools as soon as children are old enough to understand the importance… and probably before, repeatedly, for the good of the world.
So basically this fucking clown whose the intellectual hero western white males with asperger thinks Lenin and the Soviet Union are monsters but the unites states which has committed the worst crimes in human history (slavery, genocide, Jim Crowe, current laughably justice system etc) is a saint. Fucking bozo. You could say far worse things about America’s so called founding fathers and you’d be correct. Only in America and the west this goofball is taken seriously. Granted, by a tiny demographic but still. ?
what about the genocide in india carried by the british or the genocide of the spaniards in america
No attention or emphasis is placed on the outcome of socialism in the 20th century because they plan to do it again. Next time around the job will be complete.
Only idiots could ever think of there being anything good coming from communism
With respect to the progressive hankering to repeat the communist experiment once again, Einstein is quoted as saying:"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
i thought he was going to talk about john Lennon
Soviets started WW2 together with their allies, the Nazi Germany by invasion on Poland
If Nazis represent RacismWhile communists represent equality
Then equality and tolerance is worse than racism
This is the incident Peterson was referring to regarding the world narrowly avoiding global thermonuclear war in the early 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident.
Peterson should also talk about how many people died in colonial wars that were a direct consequence of capitalist imperialism. I guess some would say colonialism was not real capitalism.
lenin is really good – hes cool and good.
does he know who Lenin is?
how many failed communist states does it take for us to say that this isn't a good idea.
Its funny when member of most violent and murderous country in history of humankind speculates about humane ideology. And he bases his speech upon works of hedonistic anti-human propagandist like солженицин. People, wake up. Your knowledge of socialism and communism is based upon comissioned propaganda and speculations. Солженицин lies. In 20 years world will be in energy crysis. And you, primates, will start tearing each other apart for food and fuel. Socialism is only way to safe civilization from collapsing into chaos. But… knowing that there is no way for you right now. I hope you all a great Perestroyka. Make America great again. Капитализм, счастье -, заебись!
Saying marxism would work well if I was in charge is roughly equivalent to, "If I were God, I would do a great job of it, better than any person who's tried before, and better than God, if he does exist." It's a small portion of arrogance, usually coming from a simple place of, "I'm not a bad person. Sure, I make mistakes, but nothing too bad." Which effectively points out that your minor imperfections, if amplified to the scale of a dictator, turns you into a monster as bad as any that has ever walked this earth.
That's all right and okay. But keep in mind: the United States of America were and are responsible too. Not letting it happened. Not fighting it wrongly.
I mean causing, growing and profiting from it. There are always two sides to look at – history isn't the past as the past was and is defined by the present time. And even history changes when new documentary is released…
2019 and people still take Jordan Peterson seriously.And his videos on channels with “philosophy” in their names OOF
Lenin was like a sleazy drug dealer trying to push communism onto kids and they were dumb enough to buy it.
Bravo, Dr. Peterson. Thank you for saying what too many people are too damn ignorant to recognize. Thank you.
I love this. To sum up what Jordan Peterson is saying – If you support communism or socialism, you're an f—ing moron!
With this reasoning, you shouldn't celebrate the founding fathers because some of them were slave owners.
>Lenin was a monster>I read that from the Solzhenitsyn
"Lenin surrounded himself with official publications, and works of history and economics. He made no effort to inform himself directly of the visions and conditions of the masses. He never visited a factory or set foot on a farm. He had no interest in the way in which wealth was created. He was never to be seen in the working-class quarters of any town in which he resided."
Paul Johnson, Modern Times (2001)
Do you think Peterson knows literally anything about Lenin?
Lecture, where Jordan sounds like radical left ideolog. I mean… some self-reflection maybe?
I like Petersen and don't like Lenin, but it seems, that for Petersen the main source of information about Russia is reading Solzhenitsyn, which is not good.
It is not pronounced 'Stalein" it's Stalin. Lenin introduced the principle of the Red Terror, not Stalin. Lenin was alive during the famines in the Volga region. Lenin ordered the murder of the Czar's family including children.
Dr. Peterson, what do you think about Franklin Morrison's perspective?
Follow this link:https://www.theonion.com/report-suggests-stalin-was-just-one-great-purge-away-fr-1825691925
Yep. You talk to especially the older generations of citizens in Belo-Russia, they hold up these older communist icons as some kind of demi-gods!Rinse repeat Maoist China.
I tell you what, there was a dog race track built in Shanghai 1929 by the French. In about 1949-1950 Mao turned this stadium into a killing machine mass execution of political prisoners via pistol bullet back of the head. Eleven tied kneeling victims in 30 seconds pushed into mass grave.
This attrocity continued for years.
John Pederson you're correct about Lenin, Stalin, Mao, genosides in the Millions, and to think some Senators run around spouting Radical Marxist Socialism, unbelievable. And, Hollywood right up there, not realizing, in Russia's Gulag, who dissapeard there writers and the Gay community as well. And , to think thanks to Bernie and the likes students are seduced to these monsterous conditions. Not recognizing the under currents. The disguise, EU, Globalism, as a carrot! Merkel bonded from youth with Putin, both befriended each other when students in communist East Germany! So, now obstacle to their American dream lies Donald Trump?! Which now is to stand trial for Impeachment, ala Alinsky ,Marxist routine. Are we Dum and Deaf, and Blind? We should see red flags all over the place, especially with merging anti-Semitism. I was a young Child in Denmark, during the Hungarian and Thekoslova mass murders off the population take over. And Mao's little Red Book Revolution , were children and students were to turn their parents in!? If suspected off dissent.??? Can't believe Sanders and others even have air time?!?????
The common denominator that ties all despots is they all believed they are God. They played God.
People arguing for communism also think they are god.They want to control everyone else but can't control themselves.The basic message of the Bible is you are not God. I am .
I guess Yoko Ono was a bad influence
Marxism is a nonstarter as a means of creating some sort of vaguely defined utopia since its implementation depends on totalitarianism, which by history is always associated by violent oppression of individuals.
This guy is on crack, Lenin understood the plight of the working class. This guy is typical Western propagandist . He hates Lenin because Lenin shot bourgeois, bankers, oligarchs, monarchist, basically the enemies of the working class . nothing new typical Western anti communist based on lies not fact.
You cannot kill an idea once it’s been given birth in the human culture. No matter how discredited or heinous like a beaten virus a vestige will lie hidden waiting for an opportunity to re-emerge. The immune system must always retain a memory of its character and be ready to mount a defense against it.
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The Ukrainian Famine was Stalins doing, not Lenin, he was long gone before that the time of Stalins regime. Lenin knew that Stalin was unhinged which was he didn't trust him. This was why he left a letter for Trotsky saying that he wants him to lead the newly formed Republic towards the communist dream and not to trust Stalin but Stalin found that letter and never let anybody else see it. Stalin betrayed Lenin. Lenin and Stalin were not pals. They just worked very closely with each other because they both were at one time shared the same dream.
Very trusted source ye
Lenin is my idol
Socialism ; because after you’ve killed your first 10 million , you’ve made your point !
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